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Triple J, I didn't mean that we studied Mr. Yella Fella, we study those types of cases in class, not HIS. Sorry for the confusion there. I'm actually a big fan of Mr. Yella Fella and have considered him one of the few stallions I would pay to breed to for a halter baby.

No problem, BUT he has won the World and Congress. He has two down, at least when I saw him, He did. Plenty of size to them. IF at Congress and World I have been told, If two are not visable as yearlings, and they place, they are palpated right there. (Has anyone else heard this?) Yes, I agree that IF they have one up, Due to the body temp. Sperm count is slim to none. With one down, they can still breed. But again I agree, WHY would you breed to a cryptorchid! I waited till one was three, due to folks telling me hes to nice to geld. Well, he a nicer gelding! Hee Hee

For me, Stallion Quality, IS A MUST. Theres sooooo many stallions that would be better geldings. Not just because someone wants one. But then I dont breed to those horses either. I would be sooo picky as to if I ever owned one or stood one again. Wouldnt breed just for color either, Conformation, performance it s a must as well. I like you bought a weanling when I was 19. Kicked butt in open shows. Thought I was really had something. Well, AQHA was not so kind to him. Youth was on my side, he was sold, then they gelded him. I started to study, what I needed to see in a stallion and it was years, before I could afford the quality that was needed to stand as a stallion. I learnt from my mistakes. So I have to agree with 7 Ceders, We old women. Hee Hee.. Have alot of knowlegde to pass on. But old dogs can learn new tricks.
Its just experince seems to hold more value to Me, But I do read, and try to learn something new to go along with my experience.

Personally. If I dont see two by yearlings, and Palpating is done, Im done! Snip Snip! JMO

Everyone has heard that old saying....If he'd make a good stud, he'll make a great gelding. There are thousands of studs...and thousands of people who think their stud is the best. The horse population is in crisis. The economy is forcing some people to sell their horses for much less than what they think they are worth....Many people are being forced to give away their horses because they just can't afford to feed them. It's going to get far worse, before it gets better. And all along the way, there are people who just continue to breed horses, regardless of genetic defects. Stuck on stupid.

There's also another old saying. When you think life has handed you lemons, make lemonade!!!!!!! The crypto that isn't going to be a breeding stud just might be your ticket to something better!!!!!!!!

Lynn, If you were refering to me regarding science. I am not ruling that out and it is all neccessary to build on. The point I was trying to make and you as a nurse know this, is that you learn what you can from books then you get out and do the job and that is where the real learning comes in. I am sure the longer you are a nurse the more you learn.. This is why most will not hire with out the experience to back up the books. The simple fact is that we are not all the same and we do not all go by the book.. This is why I like to network with people who have lived it and found a way to get through it. I do read a lot on many subjects until they all say the same thing. Then I go out to people who have been through it and try there way..

Triple J the reason I mentioned raw semen was that SB said they had to add more semen on YF. You just cannot do that and it does not work. Anyone who has collected and extended semen knows that..

I know SB is very upset about this as we all would be if we had big plans for the horse.. It's too bad this happened. And, it cost upwords of a 1000.00 around here and if they have to go way up for it so does the price.

I have never heard of palpating a yearling for the testis.. Many of them have not come down yet and that is expected.. Better be showing as a two year old though. And, you also have to consider when in fact this animal is a full two years old and if it's mature yet.

I have never heard of palpating a yearling for the testis.. Many of them have not come down yet and that is expected.. Better be showing as a two year old though. And, you also have to consider when in fact this animal is a full two years old and if it's mature yet.
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Maybe its because Congress is so late in the year. But I had one palpated as a yearling. Guess were back to the experience thing again..


I just dont mess with it anymore, IM all about Snip Snip!

Me its all about, to many average, or below average stallions, and not enough good geldings! Dont you agree!

7C, I take so much advice and personal experience from this forum and apply it to what I do that it's not funny. I think that everyone has something to add and I have taken crap before about the way I do things, taken suggestions, and not ever said anything but thank you. But when there are references made to my knowing it all, etc. yes, it pisses me off and I will be smart about it. As far as experience goes, I know I don't have 30 years of horse experience, but I have been on horses since I could hold myself up. My dad is a horseman, my grandpa was a horseman and I've trained under some of the best horseman in AZ. I've cleaned stalls and worked my butt off to learn things that most people can't even pay to learn. I have dedicated my life to gaining as much knowledge of horses as I can, I have worked under multiple vets to gain knowledge from them too. I was blessed to be working under Jim Lytle, a cowboy of his entire life and he has been a vet for over 30 years. They breed horses for a living too, APHA horses actually, his wife took a few championships at the world show last year... He was upset when we palpated Scotch, because apparently unlike some on here, he thought he was a stallion prospect, along with the handful of other people I have had to call that had plans of booking to him next year. And as far as that goes, by the way, Scotch was never meant to be a halter horse. It was something we have always done to get his name out there, we got a year end championship through AzQHA and it did him a world of good getting used to what his under saddle carrer would be like. Now just so it's clear, I never had intentions of promoting him as a halter stallions. He won the classes he won because he is built for a purpose, not to just stand there and look pretty. Scotch was meant and bred to be a western pleasure horse, period. He had the moves for it, everything is there.

Oh, as far as the price goes, I'm not sure if you all remember but I had another colt like this a couple of years ago, I've already dealt with this problem before, twice actually. It cost me approximately $200.00 for the entire procedure, including anesthetic. A normal one from our vet is around $150.00. It's still not cheap, but not nearly as expensive as what you are all having to pay, bummer....

SB i dont mean to butt in... But I do know where you are coming from. I have been bashed time and time again (very little from this forum). However the greatest thing I've ever heard was from 7Cedars... Take everything with a grain of salt.

Its really hard, and some people just pull the right strings to make you talk back. Believe me... Ive been there. I think it sounds like you've already made your decision, which really what it boils down to is your decision. Like 7Cedars said, its your horse.

I personally have tried my best to be as quiet as possible on here... Because I know people can push my buttons and some things I type out aren't fully thought through.. So it comes across confusing, and therefore bad responses develop from it.

I read a lot of what people talk about on here, some I disagree with so I dont comment.

Take everything in like a sponge, try whatever you want to with your own horses, and the rest let it slip from your mind. learning is all about trial and error. And sometimes, you have to fall on your face before you can fix things. Horse people are the most opinionated people in the world, Myself included! So let yours decide what is best for YOUR horse.

We're all just here to help when we can

WOW, that is really cheap for that procedure. It cost me 600.00 for gelding a normal standing type proceedure. Both testis are down. It amazes me the difference in cost around the country.

man BJ things in OR are more expensive than the midwest it cost me 500.00 with a hernia repair the last time we gelded one... and I wasn't referring to you on the science thing I think there was more than one comment about science not being all that but I just think about where we would be w/o it ....

Isnt it funny how small the world can be at times

OK, Joan that bought Dollar from me, Knows of someone from AZ looking for an Incentive fund colt from KY.. Looking for that KY BIF check. So, Dollar has a 1/2 brother that is a single Crypt. And since SB mentioned that this vet was so cheep. I thought dang my friend could drop her price some and they could work out a deal, where she could just get him gelding there. So I called Dr. Lytle. its 450.00 per side. plus meds. Still a good deal. I thought..
Then I thought really its the same here. My vet charged 450.00 for both, but then I have been a client for so long (20 yrs) he gave me a deal. He said Normally a double is 1000.00, its just Dollar got soooo sick, my meds wound up 400.00 Grrrrrrrrrrr
So really it worked out the same.. But at least Kathy wouldn't have to deal with the re-coup time. BUT Im passing on the information and phone number to see if this lady, would like to use, him since we are reaching fly season here, not a good time to geld.

even a lay down gelding procedure here is around $250, stand up, a little over $100.

but Hernia repair.... over $500. LOL even a calick removal is about $100 here.

Just wanted to say that I am from AZ.. Gelding isnt that cheap.. Jolese I am suprised that it would be that cheap for a cript... I would however be careful with someone gelding my horse for that price. But if you know him and he is giving you a deal.. I would jump on it.. I was quoted $350.00 for one of my colts.. Which is a clinic. So I know if anything goes wrong or for cleaniness issue he will be fine. I guess my horses are just spoiled.. LOL...

What they do tell you around here is what they charge to do this. What they do not tell you is all the other stuff that goes with it.. And, D lux is right about jumping on that price for a cryp orch surgery.

Lynn, some of the stuff around here is less.. But, what I find with vets is they will clean out your purse if you let them. So, I do not have a real high opinion of them. What you do have to keep in mind is you must be in control and know what to ask. I learned this the hard way. And, I do use vets for things I cannot handle on my own. I just direct what they will do as far as treatment. Many things can be done at home.. Such as IV's. I have them put in a shunt and do them myself. I have saved thousands of dollars and had some sleepless night doing this.

I do have a few vets that give some good options when you tell them you do not have the money. They have been around awhile and really know horses.. So we chat about other things that might help. If you do not have some horse sense and some health background you can be in for the $$$$$ big time..

HA! You know, I was just thinking, how much it cost to geld the weanling last year... and you know what, I flat don't know. You know why I don't know, I just call the vet up, and say, hey, I need this or that... he comes, I usually send a check, and then I get a bill. Usually I don't look at the bill, I just send a check - truthfully, I'm scared to look at the bill... Well, stupid me looked at the bill yesterday... oh, Lordy! Paid half of it, and still got some ways to go here... this freaking $45 for a farm call, me and my vet that's 10 minutes from me is fixing to have a little conversation!!!! And that's on his way back to or from the office - can't imagine how many $45 farm calls he gets from everybody... criminey sakes alive! I know gas is high, but good GAWD!

Most of it though was when we had to put Red down, but I already knew that.

And you know what, last year, we had to do a hernia surgery on the gelding/colt, whatever he was at the time... I coudln't tell you how much the danged thing was...probably don't want to know!

I just know after going and getting feed today, I'm about sick of this freaking mess! Not to mention $10.90 a bale for alfalfa!

Somebody made the statement about things being bad and going to get worse, and it will. One reason why I sold the last broodmare and am not breeding at all!!!! Now, what to do with Jazz... yes, Bluejay, I know, I know! HA!

In my mind, I'm trying real hard to decide what to do with Kid - this is a horrible decision I've got to make, and truthfully, I'm not sure which way to go. I know he's eating, he's not doing anything, except breeding a couple of mares - because I don't even want to have anything to do with that - period! So I'm trying to figure out, what's the best for him, for me, for the family - aggravating soul he is! I know one thing Rick needs to quit yapping at me! I know for sure 2 are going to a sale at the end of this month, but Kid ain't one of 'em!!!!

So I'll change the subject somewhat... you guys can pick on me... HA!

What should I do:

1) Geld him (yeah, I know, he's what 8 now, so talked to some "OLD" friends who have experience with this - said it'll take about 6 months for him to become "gelding" material"
Why geld him? Finish him out, that way, me and Trent can ride him.
Now, my fear on this, and my only fear is okay, I've got Jazz. Kid's proven himself as his babies (majority of them) being better than him, so out-producing himself... great bloodlines, blah, blah... I've still got to think of Jazz... what happens if we breed Scamp to her, and a puke comes out? Oh, Lord! And then Kid's a gelding... well, I can tell you right now, I'm not going outside for no danged stud - nope, not gonna do it!!!!

2) Send him to a trainer, see if the trainer can deal with him as a stallion or not, and knowing how Kid looks and that specific training I'm thinking about, he'll probably get sold to a roper... which that's okay, too. At least I know he'll have a pretty good home and get used. If he doesn't get sold, then that's okay, too, because I know he and I will be okay.

3) Or just sell him at a sale, 'cuz it ain't happening on the net! And if he goes to a sale, I can't go - I just flat can't (and I don't want to hear any yapping about that!!!! Done listened to that from Anita!)

So what say ya'll... give me some opinions.........because I'm terribly conflicted, because of love, fighting that sucker all these years, and yes, missing that, too....it's kind of like loving the onery kid! HA!

So let 'er rip....

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Somebody made the statement about things being bad and going to get worse, and it will. One reason why I sold the last broodmare and am not breeding at all!!!! Now, what to do with Jazz... yes, Bluejay, I know, I know! HA!

Hey, Ill give ya your money back on her!

Expect to get any money for a aged stallion at a sale....

I like the trainer deal. At least that way, the guys could enjoy him. and in TX he would be marketable.

And Silverbuckles.. Geld Him.. Geld all the men, OPPS I mean Stallions!

It costs about $85- $150 for a yearling or two year old to get gelded around here. Unless you go to "the guy" who only charges $25 and does them standing up. I know lots of people who go to him. Even Wade's red roan gelding was done by him.
If you are talking Cryp, you are looking at minimum $450. A friend of mine took her colt in to one vet to get gelded and they cut him open before they realized he only had one down. Then they wouldn't finish the procedure. It cost her over $1000 when all was said and done cause the other vet had to deal with scar tissue on the botched job.
My farm charge is over $100 here. We have a closer vet, but I wouldn't use them on a rabid coyote never mind my horses.
I would geld Pep and Gun if I thought Wade would allow it. Pep would make a great horse for Brennen once the hormones died off.

Soooo - very interesting article in the latest issue of Speedhorse Magazine on cryptorchids - 2-3 pages...

I just had one gelded here last week. Now I'm gonna have to ask how much it was. I dont even ask the price to often anymore because its got to be done regardless.

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It costs about $85- $150 for a yearling or two year old to get gelded around here. Unless you go to "the guy" who only charges $25 and does them standing up. I know lots of people who go to him. Even Wade's red roan gelding was done by him.
If you are talking Cryp, you are looking at minimum $450. A friend of mine took her colt in to one vet to get gelded and they cut him open before they realized he only had one down. Then they wouldn't finish the procedure. It cost her over $1000 when all was said and done cause the other vet had to deal with scar tissue on the botched job.
My farm charge is over $100 here. We have a closer vet, but I wouldn't use them on a rabid coyote never mind my horses.
I would geld Pep and Gun if I thought Wade would allow it. Pep would make a great horse for Brennen once the hormones died off.

lol sorry to butt in again LOL but to have them make an incision before checking that both were down... umm stupidity right there. My vets always check, even though i've always checked them even before calling them out. I would have refused to pay for it.

We pay $50 to have the vet come out, but I have some superb vets to boot... Knows all my horses by name lol, 4 of the 5 that work at that clinic anyways.

lol maybe gelding gun wouldnt be too bad of an idea? but pep... no, Way too much invested in that guy. You'd be better to sell him whole if that were the case.

The woman complained about the gelding job, then tried to buy drugs for the horse at that clinic and they accused her and her daughter of trying to make meth. This woman is the nicest person I know. Her calling someone a bag is a huge insult coming from her. I was shocked that they would treat her that way. Then they "fired" her from being a client there. Not that it's a big loss, but it's insulting. Besides that, they do not have a good horse vet anymore. They get one and quickly lose her/him. Must say something about the clinic. So we use the farther vet. Costs more to get him out, but he's great. Well worth it. So, like I said, wouldn't send a rabid coyote to the crappy vet. Wait, sending one might be a good idea after all.

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lol sorry to butt in again LOL but to have them make an incision before checking that both were down... umm stupidity right there. My vets always check, even though i've always checked them even before calling them out. I would have refused to pay for it.

OK Im Going to bite! I just had a double done last fall. AND my vet and myself, Now remember Dear, Several years of experience here, between myself and vet, would have bet , We felt one down. Got in there and It was a chunk of fat! So neither was down. BEFORE you say something, This was the second vet to have checked him, as this clinic has 4 equine vets working in it.

Sometimes these things seem straight forward and they are not. Little surprises around every corner

Yeah, mistakes can be made. Everyone makes some now and then. It's just that this was a very expensive mistake and one that was hard on the horse. Getting gelded must be bad enough. Can you imagine having to have it done twice?

UM I go back to what I said about vets and them all being different.. I do my own checking.. Not so hard to put your hands up there.. DAH.. And, this is just part of handling your babies and touching them everywhere.. NO I do not stick my finger up their butt like some do.. But, I reach down there and touch them all over when they are lil ones.. Scratch a little to let them know this is not a bad thing.. Good grief, that must be why they like it so much..

I always check mine too. I can reach right up there and they don't care. I'm not sure why she didn't check. I guess this was only the second horse they even needed to be gelded and didn't even occur to them that there could be one up.