Elections...

So, I know this is VERY off topic, but who is everyone taking a liking too so far? Clinton? Obama? Edwards? Personally, I like Clinton and not because she is a woman.

I am for Clinton as well. I think it's time for someone without their own agenda to run this country. Not because she is a woman either. She has the know how and Obama is too young and does not have the back ground for the job yet. I have no interest in any of the others.. I would like to see more of taking care of Americans first. Not just some of them either. All of the less fortunate that are trying to make it and the children who have no choice.

Bluejay, I'm right there with you. I've never in my life (I'm very political) completely agreed with someone's complete outlook on issues, but jeeze, I sure do hers. I definetly agree that she is the one w/o her own agenda. As far as Obama goes, my problem with him isn't really age, it's that he's making promises that I'm certain he can't keep. He's chasing the rainbow a bit I think, and I do believe it's possibly because he is young, and as you said, does not have the background. And just so everyone else feels comfortable, I do not intend anyone to bash anyone here, I think it's just a good topic to voice our opinions.

Awww, politics. Good thing me and Bluejay aren't in the same room - that'd be an interesting conversation... HA!

Me, I'm real close to ARkansas... I have never figured out, why the heck the United States voted for a governor of one of the bottom 2 states in the nation. Yo, dog, if you can't better a little ole state, such as Arkansas, what the heck makes you think you can do something with the entire United States? Criminey!

And as far as I'm concerned, any woman that marries an idiot like that that will blatently lie to the grand jury, who gets his law license taken away from him, because he lied, and considers "that" as a non-sexual act, and wants to spend more on an ever-increasing federal budget, and take more of my hard-earned money needs to find a real job!!!! Not to mention if you can't control your personal life, you danged sure don't need to be running the United States of America....

Just my little opinion, though.... HA! Not trying to stir up things, just find it mind-boggling....

I don't think you're stirring things up, I posted this so I could get everyone's opinions. I'm excited because this is the first election I actually get to vote in. (lol, I know, I'm a dork.)

As far as "the Clinton scandal" goes, I don't think any politician, or anyone for that matter, can control what happens in their personal life. Actually, I think a lot of past presidents have been in questionable situations, only difference is some are better at hiding it and better with picking persons who are all about confidentiality. But, that's just my humble opinion.

7C, if you don't mind me asking, if you're not for those two, any idea who you'll go for this year?

Everyone blames Bill for what happened. No one even mentions the BI@#! that was trying to work her way up and shamed all women.. Then she tried to cash in on it. I was ashamed of what happened. But, the Clinton's showed some class by not letting her get her way and destroy them..

The president is just another person. They do all kinds of stupid stuff and he just got caught. Becuse she blabbed. Remember the great press Kennedy? HUM, he had women all over the place.. And as far as spending goes what about Robert Byrd who has given away billions of our tax dollars to fund his own things that he even put his name on? He was on the news yesterday and he has 40 projects with his name all over them as though the money came from him. I was appaled that we have people starving in this country and he is doing that. He is not the only one either.. Really is time to clean house in congress and get rid of all of them..

Something I like about American politics is that you guys get to vote on who you want as President. Here in Canada, we vote in our local guy. The party with the most votes gets their leader as our Prime Minister. Thats simplifying it, but basically what happens. Also, our elections are not on a set day every so many years. The Prime Minister gets a maximum of 5 years, but may call an election early if they are looking great in the polls.

reiningfan, I'm pretty familiar with Canadian polotics, and I have to say, I couldn't immagine living in a place with a political system like that. In the US, I know there is a lot of bull s*** that goes on, but at the end of the day, we know that we are the ones that put that person in office and in some small way we are all responsible for what happens in our country. I wish the Canadian populace had more control over their government, I think it would improve a lot of things. But hey, that's just me. There are downfalls with EVERY system of government. Mostly, it's the people it consists of.

Most of the time, it comes down to voting for the best of the worst anyhow. It's hard to believe any of the promises that come out of politians mouths. Other than our system for voting in our Prime Minister, i don't find our system too bad. Each small area has a representive. It's based on population, so it's somewhat fair that way.
And no offense to any of you, but how did Bush get 2 terms? He comes off so badly in the press.

Ok I for one should stay out of this discussion but my only comment is this- the only thing you do have absolute control over is your reaction to the things that happen in your life. Therefore I do have real issues with Clinton and her reactions/comments to the choices her spouse made while in the White House. It is hard to have respect for her at this point after all that garbage. And I do blame Bill he was the married one not the girl he was the one who needed to honor his vows not her. Anyone in the spotlight knows they are at risk of being caught- dang- keep it clean for at most 8 years how hard is that?????

I'd never vote for Clinton, even if my life depended on it. Im not going to start anything here. But Im probably going with rudy or someone else

Jlose if you dont like the way canda is ran, you might want to rethink voting for clinton. all she wants is soicalization, everyone to make the same about of money, etc. so if thats ok wikth you then go ahead and vote for that. i for one dont. i reather be a free country. and btw when bill was in office he shut down a huge percent of the military.........so if clinton gets in office.....god helps up because we havent seen nothing yet.

I totally agree, Lynn. People make choices, and you expect someone in the gosh-danged oval office would have enough sense first, not to do it; second, my biggest problem is lying to a grand jury. If you get your license taken away from you, and you can't even be a lawyer, you sure don't need to be running the country.

As far as Kennedy and others - I didn't vote for them, was too young. Kennedy made his choices, and paid for it with his life, unfortunately.

I don't know who I'm going to vote for, but I can assure you they won't be a democrat! A couple of the Republicans give me the willies, too, though.

Was sent something about Obama... I'll post it. Don't know if it's true or not, but worth looking into.

Wonder if this is true - makes ya kinda think, huh.....

We checked this out on ' snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself.
>
> Who is Barack Obama?
>
> U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu
> , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from
> Nyangoma-Kogel , Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white Athiest from Wichita ,
> Kansas .
>
> Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii . When Obama was two
> years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya . His
> mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia
> When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . He
> attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a
> Catholic school.
> He takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick
> to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended
> Catholic school.'
>
> Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he
> is not a radical.
> His introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence
> was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya
> soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
> influence over his son's education.
>
> Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
> introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
> in Jakarta . Wahabism is the RADICAL ISLAMIC teaching that is followed
> by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western
> world.
> Since it is p olitically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major
> public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the
> United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
> background.
> ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the
> Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.
>
> Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor will
> he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
> over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.
>
> Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's presidential candidacy.
>
> The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
> out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
> President of the United States , one of their own!!!!

...nevermind... if i keep what i had..it will start a fight.

I'm not wanting to start a fight either, but I don't get how not liking the way Canada is run and Clinton wanting everyone earning the same is at all the same. Here we have low, medium and high income families just like there. But here we have a great government funded health care system, ok tax dollar funded, but we have no worries that our insurance is not going to cover things like cancer surgery. We are not a socialist country. Everyone earning the same is a socialist idea. Canada is a democratic nation.

Silverbuckles, see what you started... HA!

Tell ya a funny.... Many years ago, mom and dad disagreed with who should be president. Mom, still to this day, is proud of herself for X'ing out dad's vote. One day one of my sisters said, yeah, but, mom, dad X'd out your vote - the look on her face was priceless, and we all giggled about it. I remember them talking about it, and getting into some arguments - and if I know my parents, probably was pretty heated once us kids went to bed.

Even spouses disagree....

Actually Cherie, Clinton does not want everyone to make the same money. She wants to strengthen the middle class to get them away from being three weeks away from loosing everything because nearly all middle class are currently living paycheck to paycheck. She doesn't want everyone to be the same, but she does want everyone to be given the same opportunities as far as education and healthcare. You are also very off on how Canada is run as a government, but reiningfan already said that. It's just like I said, every government has their good and bad, none is perfect. BTW, reiningfan, I hope you didn't take offense when I said I wasn't fond of the Canadian government, I think there are parts that could be improved, but I also think the same of my own ;o)

7C, I don't think there's anything started, I think it's good to know where everyone stands. I personally like to see other's opinions to open my eyes to things I might not see or be aware of. I respect everyone's opinions and I stand by my own, but I'm not unwilling to change them for the better either. That was a funny one about your parents though, bet your momma didn't see that coming. And as a little tid bit, I don't stick to republican or democrat, I vote for who will do the best job for our country, period.

Jolese, I didn't take any offense. Every governmental system has it's positives and negatives. They can all stand to see some improvement. I do see our health system as a major positive.
I also vote for the individual candidate, rather than the party.

Hilary Clinton isn't the first woman to forgive her husband for cheating on her, and she won't be the last. Sad that the press, and even worse, our gov't put it on the public stage. Bill Clinton wasn't the first man to cheat on his wife...and I'm sure he won't be the last.

Bill Clinton wasn't the only American President to have women on the side. Lyndon Johnson had a woman (I can't remeber her name)...They had a son together. I saw them on the Phil Donahue show years ago. The son was on Larry King. The son died of cancer some-odd years back. He provided for both of them their entire lives.

We all know that Kennedy was a philanderer....

Nixon had 2 affairs that I know about. A Nancy Somebody, and a gal named Jennifer Wood.

As far as I know...Carter and Ford are the only ones who didn't have much dirty laundry.

I don't think Hilary has much chance of making it through the primary. It won't have anything to do with Bill. It will be her politics. Socialized medicine sounds like a good idea....But we are already taxed to death. I just don't see how we can pay for it.

Obama has no experience....I still can't figure out what he stands for, but I do know that his wife is a CEO for Wal-Mart. (nuf said)

I just know that I'm going to vote for the guy who puts an end to turning a blind eye to illegal ailens. I want to see Ramos and Campeon released from prison. I want to see or border guards allowed to do their jobs. I want to see the border with Mexico fenced, guarded, and closed to illegals.

Ragdoll,
From what I understand about the socialized health care system Clinton has planned, I believe it will involve lowering taxes in other areas (and NOT increasing gov. salary) and putting that money to use where it needs to be, in our health care system. I think you bring up a very good point about the border problem, that is one of my main concerns also. It plays a huge part in why health care is not readily available to some of those who really need it. I just can't wait until after the primaries, to really see who our options are.

Such a good subject..

If this country was really free there would be no such thing as illegal aliens.. As far as I am concerned if the Mexican people did not come here and do the work we think we are too good to do this country would be in trouble.. I love those people and welcome them with open arms. I say stop and identify yourself and your reason to be here and come on in..

There is more bad here already then what we get from the people who really want to be here and make a living.. I love diversity..

Silverbuckles, you mentioned "middle class are currently living paycheck to paycheck" that Hillary wants to stop that. Okay, time to open your eyes, young'un... the reason why the middle class is living paycheck to paycheck is because they have debt up to their eyeballs - it's their choice. Been there, done that, working on getting out of that mess myself!

Ragdoll, you forgot Reagan in there as a non-fornicator... he was the first pres. I got to vote for. I also agree with closing the borders. Now, I ask you, just how much common sense do you think it takes for a terrorist to easily cross the border and start bombing all those chemical plants and shipping harbors down around Houston??? Not very danged hard, I can tell ya. You want to come here legally, fine; illegally, however, doesn't get it. Personally, I think they ought to have a wall, barbed wire, alligators, and anything else that'll stop them - enough already! Criminey!

Also, it's very interesting how many illegal aliens are in our prison systems today that we're taking care of, that are in there for murder of U.S. citizens! Not to mention the ones that are in there for other things, manslaughter, etc. that the government won't release unless they have tons of info of where they're going back in Mexico. Can't tell you how many gosh-danged cases I've typed like that - very aggravating!

I also vote for the man, usually in the Republican side of things, because most, not all, Democrats are so gosh-danged far left....

Also, heads-up, who do you think the majority was on the anti-slaughter deal? Wonder what's next?

I've worked with illegal aliens for over 7yrs. Most know little English, some speak none. The hotel I worked for paid minimum wage because they could get illegals to work for less than the other hotels paid. Communication is often a nightmare!!!!!! I work with illegals now also. They know all the tricks, and use them. First, they are breaking the law just by coming here. Second, they make up or buy a SS#. Employers aren't required to verify the number. That's idenity theft. Third, and most important, they don't want to become Americans. I was is a conversation with a gal I work with....She's illegal. She says she doesn't want to be American, but she wants all the goodies my husband and my ancestors fought for. These people don't want to assimilate... They want to be apart. There are many school districts that require teachers to be bi-lingual....And one district on Oregon has actually gone so far as to obtain the curriculum from a school in Mexico City, and they teach it in Spanish!!!!!!!!

I feel so bad for the people who live along the border. Larado is a good example. You never hear this stuff on the news...70 Americans from that area have been kidnapped and held for ransom in the last year. Not long ago, two 17yr old girls were kidnapped and given to a Mexican drug lord as a b'day gift.

Did any of you hear about the deal with the drug runner that Ramos and Campion shot in the butt??? He got caught again, in the same van, bringing 750lbs of weed across the border.

Did you hear about what Glen Beck did? He sent people down to the border to see how easy it was to get back. They were spotted by the Mexican army, who were escorting drug runners across the border. They went after Beck's crew....They barely got out alive. Beck had the video on utube.

I think it's wild....People along the border get up in the morning and find illegals sleeping on their lawn furniture, in their yards, and in their barns.

Mexico actually prints a "comic book" type thing that tells people how to get here, and how to get welfare and jobs.

Check it out....Do your homework!!!!!!

On the subject of socialized medicine....I ALWAYS thought it would be fantastic if someone else/gov't paid my medical bills. Those who know me also know that my older daughter was injured by a horse. She laid in a level 3 glascow coma for over 2 weeks. She was in a rehab for 2 months. Our ins had what's called a "life cap". It maxed-out at $500,000.00. My husband and I had to pay over $100,000.00 out of our pocket. If the gov't was picking up the bill, it's likely that we would have had to pay the whole thing, just to keep the gov't from pulling the plug on her. A patient in a level 3 coma means no recovery. They are considered to be in LESS than a vegitative state. In short, an organ donor!!!!!! Infact, a woman from the transplant dept came to me and wanted me to let them harvest my daughter. I took that B*&^% down to the floor and taught her a little professionalizm. Busted one of her teeth.

Medicaid and Medicare are already in so much trouble, it isn't funny. I worked with one particular illegal at the hotel. She drove a super nice car...Lived in a section 8 house...She also had Medicaid. She and her boyfriend had been living in Washington....He had $40,000.00 of surgey done, using someone else's Medicaid card. They deported him, and she went to jail for 30 days, then was deported herself. Two weeks later they were back here. They thought it was pretty funny. By the way, she openly laughed about how she was using someone else's ID.

It doesn't matter what country they are from!!!!! If they come here illegally, they have broken a law.

Clinton gave them all amnesty. All they had to do was come forward with their REAL ID, and they were in. Many chose not to do that, many because they were already criminals in Mexico.