DARK BUCKSKIN??

Does anyone know what defines a dark buckskin? I registered my colt as brown, but I suspect he's actually a dark buckskin.

Well I know that for a horse to be a red dun, one of the parents has to be a dun. Is it the same for buckskin?

One of the parents would have to be a dilute (palomino, buckskin, cremello, etc.)

Ya.....His dad is a buckskin.....Tucker has 7 full siblings....Most are palomino...a couple of buckskins....one sorrel.

That's tricky then! Haha. I'm not sure how you could tell for SURE other than getting him tested, but I guess I would just show him to a lot of people and get as many opinions as you can to try to figure out what he is. I know, very vague advice! haha.

You might look for frosting in the mane? Or maybe if you clipped him it would be easier to tell what color he is?

Every brown horse I've ever seen is clearly brown. Tucker's mom is registered as brown, though I would call her a mahogany bay. Tucker has yellow hairs running though his whole body....especially on his underside.....even under his long mane. His legs are black.

I'm terrible with colors. I know of two horses that I would swear are liver chestnuts and they are registered as duns.

the color you are refering to is usually refered to as "smutty" buckskin. In order for a horse to be buckskin, as was already stated, you have to have one dilute parent (buckskin, perlino, palomino, etc.) If you could post a picture, I'm pretty sure I could help you, I promote a yearling smutty colt too. Here is a few examples of smutty buckskin:

Scotch:




Horses for example (please click on links):
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=876768

http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=589623

Those are really just a very limited few examples, but, if you would like me to look at it, feel free to post a picture or email me with it

Thanks for the pics!!!!! Yup!!!!! That's it.....only he has more of a yellow tone in places. I'll have to get my daughter to take/post pics of him. I haven't the vaugest idea of how to do it.

Good then, glad I could help

I just went out and looked at him close.....The "yellow" sits on the back of his head like a hat. His ears are lighter on the back sides, with darker running up the middle of the backs, but not extending all the way to the tip of his ears. When viewed from the front, his ears are rimmed in black, with much lighter hair on the insides of his ears. His forehead is dark....but the yellow hair covers his muzzle and goes up on to his face.

Til he was about a year old, he had yellow hair, like guard hairs, at the top of his tail. They were pretty long. He had a very bold "false dun-stripe" from the time he was born til he shed out this spring.....His 1/2 sister (same stud) is a pally, and she still has it.....and it extends down into her tail a bit. His baby coat was really red-ish.....and he had tons of yellow hair on his legs, from the knees, down.

LOL, those colored babies will change a billion times before they settle on just one color lol. Scotch was born a traditional buckskin, then shed out a little darker once the baby fuzz was gone, then the winter woolies came off and he looked almost bay, then his little coat grew in again, and shed off to what you see there now, I need to get some updated pics in the next couple of days and I'll show you again

I found some pics on my email of Tucker when he was 2 weeks old.....I can foreward them to anyone intrested in offering an opinion about his color. Cute booger!!!!!!! Also some pics of his mom and my granddaughter......She was a cute booger too.

This filly is registered Dun. She is smutty Buckskin. ABRA just calls it buckskin. She had a dorsal when she was born and it has blended in with the dark over her back. She still has the dorsal over her hip. This is Sweet Dixie Doll. My friend owns her now and she is kicking behind and has gone grand in every show she takes her too. Got her ROM in the last ABRA show. This filly is a tow year old.




This is the Dam. She is light chestnut and produced futurity winners in her first two foal. She tends to produce the sires color.





This is her wonderful sire who is now deceased. He has a dorsal and is called Dun. We all loved him and miss him so. He was my friends best freind. He too had many accomplishments in his life..

I would love to see photo's of your gelding..

I would also like to say that I have seen many really dark buckskins that have been tested.. I would not call them buck, but they are and they compete in the ABRA..

And, Silverbuckles is right when she said they will change on you. I about went nuts when Dixie was changing color.. She did it 3 times before she was a year old.. HUM.. Buckskin, now grulla, dun ..Where's the dorsal .. My friend who owned the sire just laught at me.

She has one last baby by her wonderful horse.. Guess what Looks just like Dix. Now I am

Dixie Doodle be looking good - real good!!!!!

Its been a long time since I have shown IBHA/ABHA but, they do have to have Bleeding, frosting, stripes, Cob webbing, etc. Dont they have to have a certain amount of the color traits to be reg?

Neither registry requires the buckskin factors like that, the only thing they require is the dun factor on dun horses. A lot has changed with it too, I know that dapples used to be not-so-great for showing in both those registries, now I'm seeing pictures of world champs with dapples. I guess they've gotten kind of lienent on that too. ABRA is not as strict as IBHA either, IBHA is really more into your classic buckskin, the deer hide colored horses with black points whereas ABRA will go for all types of buckskins.

Speaking of Buckskins, A friend of mine had a gelding for sale that you just never knew if he were going to buck or not. So when the older gental man called she told him that he bucked. He said ALL BUCKSKINS BUCK, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE COLOR!
Per IBHA Colors that are eligible for registration in IBHA

The Red Dun will vary in shades of red, in the range of peach to copper to rich red. In all shades, the accompanying points will be darker red or chestnut and be in contrast to a lighter body color. Red Dun must have a definite dorsal stripe to be eligible. The dorsal stripe will usually be dark red and predominant. Leg barring and shoulder stripes are common. Horses with faint dorsal stripes that do not appear on photos may be denied registration.

Grulla Grulla is also an intense color. The body color can be mouse, blue, dove or slate colored, with dark sepia to black points. Grulla (pronounced grew-yah) has no white hairs mixed in the body hairs. Grulla horses have the dorsal and shoulder stripes, and leg barring.

Dun
Dun is an intense color with a hide that has an abundance of pigment in the hairs. The dun color is a duller shade than buckskin and may have a smutty appearance. Most dun horses have dark points of brown or black. Dun horses sport the "dun factor" points which include dorsal and shoulder stripes, leg barring, etc.

Buckskin
A true colored buckskin should be the color of tanned deerhide with black points. Shades may vary from yellow to dark gold. Points (mane, tail, legs) can be dark brown or black. Buckskin is clean of any smuttiness. Guard hairs which are buckskin colored grow through the body coat up over the base of the mane and tail.

Red Dun
The Red Dun will vary in shades of red, in the range of peach to copper to rich red. In all shades, the accompanying points will be darker red or chestnut and be in contrast to a lighter body color. Red Dun must have a definite dorsal stripe to be eligible. The dorsal stripe will usually be dark red and predominant. Leg barring and shoulder stripes are common. Horses with faint dorsal stripes that do not appear on photos may be denied registration.

So, now we know why they call them buckskin..

LOL!!!!!!!! I'm just going to have him DNA tested.

How about some pictures Ragdoll?

OK....All I have are the ones we took when he was not quite 2 weeks old. My daughter emailed them to me.....I'm a dunce with this stuff.......
Hang on.....Check your email.....Hope this works.....

I sent them again

SilverBuckleHorses wrote:

Neither registry requires the buckskin factors like that, the only thing they require is the dun factor on dun horses. A lot has changed with it too, I know that dapples used to be not-so-great for showing in both those registries, now I'm seeing pictures of world champs with dapples. I guess they've gotten kind of lienent on that too. ABRA is not as strict as IBHA either, IBHA is really more into your classic buckskin, the deer hide colored horses with black points whereas ABRA will go for all types of buckskins.

Dapples, are not a good trait in the color classes. Doesnt matter in the Regular Classes. They wont float in IBHA/ABHA OR PHBA Color Classes.