i need some help

right,i have bit of a problem.i just dont know what to do for the best.
I have a mare that im trying to sell been for sale for a while now and no joy,she a nice mare,halter/pleasure breeding.She is 3 years old and currently in training ready for some shows.I cant afford to keep her in training anymore and when and if she comes back i wont ride her as im still in pain from my broken back injury,she also seems to suffer intermittent lameness which trainer and i think is due to her upright short pasterns on long heels(trying to correct this),her leg always seems like its buckling over when its not. Her temperment is good but she is sharp to ride,she will and we know and accept this that she will have a short carreer.So do i keep her as a broodmare,she can attend 2 shows and thats it she has to come home.OR do i

The trainer has a nice mare that he will swap with me,she is averagly bred,grand daughter of Colonel freckles on Dam side and her sire is a well known reiner over here.The problem with her is she is what they call her a moody cow,her stable manners can be aggressive or seen as that,its all been man made.She was spoilt as a baby then sent to a different trainer and got told off some what.She has been trained well under saddle but the trainer that has her now cant sell her due to her stable vices,she is sound.She would also come to us as a broodmare and riding horse.
If i turned this mare out more and kept her more in a natural enviroment would it solve the stable issues.

Now the problem is as potential owners would you buy a foal from the grumpy mare or one that is unsound.Which if worse case senario you had to sell the mares which would be easier to sell.

I'll answer the last question. Grumpy mares don't throw grumpy babies. Remember the one mare you're talking about, it was man-made. Now, I used to own a mare, we called her Sweetie, and she was opposite that. It was a big broohah to get her caught, you had to get her cornered, and then you'd better be real careful when you snapped that lead rope on, or she'd slap you with that front foot, and quick, goodness gracious! And so far if you didn't touch her head for any reason whatsoever, she wouldn't go kookie on you. She was that way when I bought her, and she was the same when the guy I bought her from was. But her foals, were real sweethearts - and I'm talking a joy to work with.

Now, I usually don't put up with any yehaw from the horses, but I'd seen what this mare could do, but oowee, she through some babies; in fact, one paint had over 200 plus points in just halter. But her and I had an understanding. I would never hurt her, beat her, and would never ever touch her ears. Once I had a hold of her, I'd talk to her and she was fine, you could tie her, breed her, ultrasound her, etc. I just made real sure nobody did anything stupid. She wasn't mean, she was just very afraid.

Soudness is a whole other deal. My prize paint mare was a bit cow-hocked. When we bred her to my paint stud, her first baby trotted kind of funky, didn't start it till he was a year old. Well, it was like he was fox trotting in the rearend and regular trotting in the frontend, kind of funky, but he was a whale of a colt to ride, and if you kept him collected, he was fine.

I don't think any horse is born mean - onery maybe, but not mean, if they have any sense whatsoever. But mean is usually man-made.

I would say choose whichever best fits your program that you're trying to achieve and then go from there. If you get the mean one, though, you'll need to establish boundaries. If she's not scared, there's no reason for her to attack you - and, yes, letting a horse be a horse often helps. But one fit of trying to hurt you, biting, kicking, etc. needs severe punishment real quick! If you can do that and have done it before, then you should be okay... but if you already know your other mare, well.... it's a choice, though.

Thanks for that 7c

my mare is the one i imported back in November,the one that broke my back,she is very sharp.She is also HYPP N/N but even in this country people poo poo it.

Im trying to think what foal would sell best over here,i like Halter horses and would keep the halter mare for breeding but as reining is the big thing over here and elsewhere would i be better with something that should sell easier without any Impressive blood.

I must admit im very annoyed at the prospect of my mare going lame so soon,i was conned by the people i got her from.I reckon she was jabbed so i didnt know the unsoundness issues.She is the reason why i went out a flew over to see the Black one i brought as i didnt want to get caught again,the people i got the black from are very honest folk indeed and i would buy from them again.

I would say then whatever's best for your program. Exactly what kind of bad habits does this other mare have?

this other mares manners in the stable can be dangerous at times apparently the grooms dont like going in there.Once she is tied up she is fine.

I would be more inclined to give her one to one so she dont see to many faces and get confused by everybodies body language and i would also turn her out in a big herd.
From what it sounds she just likes to let you know who is boss when she in stable,all we saw in her when we went to see her was a lot of face pulling and threatning behaviour not actually doing anything.She did goto rasie her leg at the trainer when he went to do her leg straps up on the rug.

She hasnt got a nice head but could i breed that out,im strarting to sway more towards her as at least she sound and for all i know my mares intermittent lameness could be inherient.

Just my two cents worth. There can be many reasons why this mare is grumpy. Teeth, board, nasty people taking care of her or just does not trust.

I wonder why if your horse is so lame why they would even want to have her? Could be a trainer giving you a ride? When people are hard on a horse they get an attiude.. She might just need some time out..

I did a trade for a mare that was cow bred and hot. When she foaled she wanted to KILL US... I took her to an auction and the people who bought her were really nasty to her.

I talked to the lady later who bought her from them and her teeth were terrible and she just needed tender loving care. She was more show then real. Scared me.. LOL. I wasn't going to mess with her... LOL.. That is why I sold her.. She turned out to be a great little mare and the lady that has her now really loves her..

I would take some time and lurk around when she is being handled and find out what the story is on her.. You also have to decide if you want another horse or just cut your loses and let it go for what ever?

I agree with Bluejay the daughter of Rooster I bought had been bounced around a bit before I got her and you would be scared if you didn't take a minute to get to know her she blows and rattles but she is a big sweet heart just scared of the world and you can tell if you take the time she has been really mistreated. Some of these cow horses are really hot and their feelings get hurt easy she is a big mare around 15h. and 1100lbs and very quick but wouldn't hurt you for anything but is scared of her shadow. It took 6 weeks of standing by her feed bucket just to get my hands on her.... but if you arent really interested I would just cut my losses and move on consider it an expensive learning experience (we have all had those). I don't think I would personally be interested in breeding a horse with lameness issues for sure. Good luck with whatever you do... If you have the reining horse's papers and want more input post them.

thanks for all this.My mare who we know is going to have a short shelf life will take the trainer who is very honest sort to the top of the pleasure circuit here,not that he needs to prove himself,he as a very impressive record already and is known to be to honest wth people at times.His mare that i would poss swap with is just an average all rounder.

this is the link to the guys website where his horse is advertised.
http://www.borlandquarterhorses.com/Horses_for_sale.html

can't say as the mare really does much for me but wow does he have a great stud!!! that buckskin is bred wow do I like him.... think you could get him to throw in a breeding

he is a nice stud,im using him on my mare in my sig picture this year.I can also use him on the mare he wants to swap with.

Its unforunate his show carreer is finished as he was doing so well,he slipped in field and broke his neck in 2 places.He has made a full recovery but will no longer be able to be ridden.

Personally, I would try to sell your mare to your trainer, and then use that money to buy something I really want. I hate dealing with grumpy horses so I know I personally wouldn't want to trade for the other one. But that's just me! Easier to deal with one that is pleasant to be around.

Another option, since it sounds like your filly is pretty nice other than the soundness, is get a good vet check and see what is up. If it's something she just happened to come up with, keep her, show her, breed her. If it's something caused by a genetic/serious conformational defect (i.e. something she could pass on to her foals) I would most likely sell ASAP.

Tough decision. Good luck!