Proud Cut?

Okay. I've heard different people give thier rendition of Proud Cut.
I've never really looked into what it actually is. So can anyone tell
me what a proud cut gelding really means????

I have a gelding that will actually breed a mare, penetration and all now he is missing all of the "goods" so it is actually a learned behavior and technically he is not "proud cut" my vet decribes a proud cut colt as a colt in which some of the boy parts are left Im not sure which... but they are sterile.

Hmmm, that's kinda what I thought, but I've also heard people relate it to the age the stallion was cut too.



I did learn this looking up proud cut. I thought it was kinda interesting.



"Horses gelded before puberty (18-24 months) usually grow taller than
if they were left stallions. The testosterone rush at puberty
triggers the closure of the epiphyseal plates (where bone growth takes
place), so the stallion essentially quits adding height at
puberty. The horse gelded at one year of age has a gradual,
delayed puberty and the additional time may allow him to add extra
height." Interesting

Some refered to as proud cut, may have had a testy left up in them where only one testy was taken. The other is left, Can not produce Live sperm as the heat of the body temp kills it, But they do have the desire that a stallion does.

my gelding was cut before 6months of age...

Triple J is right. Its the same as a cryptorchid stallion. Sometimes they only drop one testy, or sometimes none. Usually it is these horses that become proud cut, as one has not dropped and therefore cannot be removed... or sometimes when neither testies are dropped, people assume they are gelded... when in fact they are intact, but cannot reproduce for the reason Triple J said.


[quote}When one or both testicles (testes) are not descended in the scrotum, the horse is called a rig, ridgling, or cryptorchid. Cryptorchidism is a developmental defect in both animals and humans. It is important in the horse because: the retained testis does not produce fertile sperm but does produce testosterone which gives the stallion its behavioural characteristics; cryptorchid testes are more prone to developing tumors compared to descended testes and the cost of castration is increased.
During the fetal life, the testes move from a position inside the abdominal cavity through a space called the inguinal canal. This process is completed by the time the foal is two weeks of age. The descent of the testes through the inguinal ring and into the scrotum is a result of contraction of the ligamentous gubernaculum testis, abdominal pressure and because the testicle is flaccid at this time(1). When examining a neonate foal, one has to remember that the gubernaculum testis is large at birth and along with the epididymis are found ahead of the testicle(1). Therefore, they can be mistaken for the testis(2).[/quote]

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/horses/facts/info_cryptorchidism.htm

It has been written in many of the books I have read that these stallions that are cryptorchids, if allowed to breed, pass it onto their foals (that is of course, if they have one testicle dropped and are fertile).

Did you also know that there's some stuff out there, that's supposed to make them drop? Cost the dickens, though.

I'd bought an overo buckskin yearling colt, and one was down; one wasn't... I was planning on cutting him anyway, but didn't want to till he had both down. Shot him up with this stuff, at about $500 danged near a shot... and I just flat gave up. Well, so Rick just had a fit, wanted to breed him to one of our paint breeding stock mares, so we did... Doc comes out one day and we're doing his teeth or something, and he says, hey, when did his other one drop? I said, crap, I didn't even notice it.

Needless to say, I set up an appointment to get him cut. We only bred two mares to him, apparently, when he was up in the motion, so to speak, it had been stuck in the ring, and came on down during the process. Now, he's a very nice gelding that does tons and tons of trail riding.

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Its the same as a cryptorchid stallion. Sometimes they only drop one testy, or sometimes none.

Actually it's not the same... "proud cut" involves just that, some cutting...just not enough to get ALL the boy outta 'em

PHENOMADACIOUS wrote:

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Its the same as a cryptorchid stallion. Sometimes they only drop one testy, or sometimes none.

Actually it's not the same... "proud cut" involves just that, some cutting...just not enough to get ALL the boy outta 'em

oops, I meant to say simmilar, not "the same"

Did you also know that there's some stuff out there, that's supposed to make them drop? Cost the dickens, though.

Yes, but there is not proof positive it will work. I know of 3 horses that this has been done on, with the vets in Lexington, KY and it did not work. The Testie has to be past the loop.

Proud cut is actually when you leave part (or all) of the epididymis, which is the structure used to store sperm to maturation. It's a little coiled-up looking mass that sits on top of the testicle, and if you're not careful it's quite easy to clamp only part of it off with the emasculators when gelding.

Getting my yearling done pretty soon, I'll be sure to watch out for that!

Triple J Quarter Horses wrote:

Getting my yearling done pretty soon, I'll be sure to watch out for that!

LOL, I really hate that crunching sound the emasculators make when clamping 'em off...makes me cringe every time. I still don't know how guys can stand it...

Hee Hee, it does sound painful doesn't it.

I can hear it now! Crunch Crunch!

7cedars wrote:

Did you also know that there's some stuff out there, that's supposed to make them drop? Cost the dickens, though.

I'd bought an overo buckskin yearling colt, and one was down; one wasn't... I was planning on cutting him anyway, but didn't want to till he had both down. Shot him up with this stuff, at about $500 danged near a shot... and I just flat gave up. Well, so Rick just had a fit, wanted to breed him to one of our paint breeding stock mares, so we did... Doc comes out one day and we're doing his teeth or something, and he says, hey, when did his other one drop? I said, crap, I didn't even notice it.

Needless to say, I set up an appointment to get him cut. We only bred two mares to him, apparently, when he was up in the motion, so to speak, it had been stuck in the ring, and came on down during the process. Now, he's a very nice gelding that does tons and tons of trail riding.

I asked my vet when he was out inseminating my mare about this shot you were giving that colt, he said he has never heard of any shot or anything period that will cause a testicle to drop.

He said ask that lady who her vet is and what the shot is called because in his 40 years of being a vet he has never heard of that you were being ripped off at 500 dollars a shot.

Some horses can pull one back up when they feel like it. Yella Fella does this. I had a colt I decided to geld. He had one up inside. Took him to the vet and when she sedated him the other came right down.

There is a big difference in whether the testie has stayed up inside or just pulled up. Some get as far up in there as the abdomin. Those are likely not going to ever come down and usually require surgery to get them out.. They are generally small and under developed.

And, proud cut is one testie left behind.. And, these colts can act just like stallions too. And, not all vet know everything..

You can ask thee vets the same question and get three different answers.. I think this is because some do not keep up and others do not network on new ways of treating things.. I find asking the heads of Equine Vet Universities have the latest and greatest things to offer as far as unusual stuff like this.. Course, some of them just stick to the books.. Others have actually tried new things..

BlueJay I know the difference between proud cut, cryptorchid and one that has a testicule that will go up and down. Really I do have some knowledge of things and when I don't I GOOGLE it or ask those I respect.

My vet asked a question, which is what is the name of this shot as he has never heard of anything that will make a testicle drop that is up in there as Sheila posted about. isn't this board or any board for that matter a learning place?
What is the problem and why do you feel the need to post telling me not all vets know everything? which by the way is why my vet wanted to know the name...by golly it might be some new awesome thing he has never heard of before right?

So Sheila can you get the name of that god aweful priced shot please?

I don't have to tell or explain anything to you whatsoever, Tara. You either find it your own self, just like I did and give your vet the info or do without. Now if a friend asked me, I'd give them the info.

Saavy? And that's my two cents worth!

7cedars wrote:

I don't have to tell or explain anything to you whatsoever, Tara. You either find it your own self, just like I did and give your vet the info or do without. Now if a friend asked me, I'd give them the info.

Saavy? And that's my two cents worth!

Wow just wow. Your first reply was nice and informative this one is just wow.

Good, I'm glad you got the drift!

7cedars wrote:

Good, I'm glad you got the drift!

7cedars wrote:

Good, I'm glad you got the drift!

That's just childish and uncalled for. So much for this being a place to learn

Tara, I am sorry you took it so personally. It was not directed at you in any way and was meant to be infomative.. Just responding to the thread.

Bluejay wrote:

Tara, I am sorry you took it so personally. It was not directed at you in any way and was meant to be infomative.. Just responding to the thread.

Well that is fine, you restating things others had already said BJ which confused me. Also to say not all vets know everything was EXACTLY why my vet asked for the name of the drug she gave her colt.

Seems odd that her response was so snide and rude since I didn't question IF she got this drug or IF she really paid that much per shot I merely asked a question my vet asked. Like I said these boards are for learning, but in some cases you just learn things that are just plain rude and uncalled for.

Proud cut has nothing to do with retained testicles. That's why it has it's own nick name. Proud cut is when they leave that bit above the testicle.
Sheila, we have a colt here who has a retained testicle. Could you e-mail me the name of the drug so I can ask my vet what he thinks off it?