Stallion Choices....

The gaited mustang came from the Nellis Air Range. The "history" is simple. Sierra had a gaited horse somewhere in her family tree.

There's a guy here in town....A shoer/trainer who enters the Mustang Makeover every year. In 2007 he got 17th place....I don't know what he got in 2008. It's a pretty neat deal. 100 horses....100 trainers...100 days. It's gob-smacking to see what those horses can do!!!! It's the perfect venue for a trainer to show his/her stuff!!!!! You can check it out on youtube.

Bucks Mecom Blue is a beautiful horse... what are you looking for specifically? I have been looking for some outside stallions for breeding a couple mares for replacement mares hopefully and found some really reasonable well bred well priced stallions with great show records..

Honestly, I dont think I will find a stallion that has EVERYTHING in one package. Just my opinion. There are so many to choose from, that the more I look the harder it gets.

Mecom Blue has the pedigree, not only that but, he has the records and stats. Im a huge fan of his dam, Royal Blue Boon. Not to mention his sire, Haidas Little Pep, Im a Peppy San Badger lover. I got to see him in person and fell in love. WHen he struts into the arena hes all business, but after hes back into relax mode. Hes got a great attitude and personality. HIs willingness to work is awesome. Not to mention hes a steady color producer, but thats not as important.

I cant really find a reason not to breed to him. I think him and Vegas would have one heck of a foal.

Stats:

1995 Blue Roan Stallion

Mecom Blue Haidas Little Pep Peppy San Badger Mr San Peppy
Sugar Badger
Doc's Haida Doc Bar
Teresa Tivio
Royal Blue Boon Boon Bar Doc Bar
Teresa Tivio
Royal Tincie Royal King
Texas Dottie



Performance Records

Earner of $21,292: finalist in the NCHA Derby Open, Abilene Spectacular Derby Open and Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo NCHA Cutting Open; top 10, Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo NCHA Cutting $10K Novice; San Antonio Livestock Exposition Cutting ACHA $10K Ltd Horse Reserve Champion.

Sire Record - Sire of earners of more than $1,000,000, including-

QUINTAN BLUE ($609,015: NCHA Open Futurity Reserve Champion; 2007 NCHA Open Classic/Challenge Champion; 2006 NCHA Non-Pro Super Stakes Classic Champion; NCHA Non-Pro Derby Co-Champion; 2007 Abilene Spectacular Open Classic Champion; 2007 Breeders Invitational Open Classic Champion; 2007 South Point Open Classic Champion
LAREDO BLUE $284,285: NCHA Horse of the Year; NCHA Non-Pro Futurity Champion; NCHA Non-Pro Derby Champion; NCHA Non-Pro Super Stakes Reserve Champion; 3rd, NCHA Open Classic/Challenge
IMR AMERICA BLUE ($23,052: Bluebonnet Stakes Non-Pro Derby Champion; finalist in the Brazos Bash Open Futurity
LIL LIZA MECOM BLUE $10,897: 2007 Memphis 4-Year-Old Amateur Futurity Champion
MK BLUE $10,425: finalist in the 2007 NCHA Open Super Stakes 10K Novice
MECOM BLUE GIN $10,366: split 6th, 2007 Southern Open Futurity; 5th, 2007 Brazos Bash Non-Pro Futurity; 4th, 2007 Music City Non-Pro Futurity

Male Line

HAIDAS LITTLE PEP, $425,174: NCHA Reserve World Champion; NCHA Open Futurity Reserve Champion. Equi-Stat #11 All-Time Leading Cutting Sire, siring the earners of over $9,200,000.

Female Line

1st dam, ROYAL BLUE BOON, by Boon Bar. $381,764: NCHA Super Stakes Co-Reserve Champion; 8th, NCHA Futurity; split 3rd, NCHA Open Finals. Equi-Stat #1 All-Time Leading Cutting Producer (1995-2006). Her foals have earned over $2,630,000; her foals, grandfoals and great-grandfoals have earned over $4,000,000, including-

RED WHITE AND BOON. (g. by Smart Little Lena). $930,954: 5-time NCHA Non-Pro World Champion (in 2005, 2003, 2002, 2001 and 2000); NCHA Derby Reserve Champion; NCHA Open & Non-Pro Finals Reserve Champion 3 times.
BET YER BLUE BOONS. (f. by Freckles Playboy). $352,694: NCHA Hall of Fame; NCHA Open World Champion. Dam of BETS CD ($129,130: 3rd, NCHA Open Derby), BET ON ME 498 ($114,260: AQHA Reserve World Champion). AUTUMN BOON (f. by Dual Pep). $258,185: NCHA Open Super Stakes Champion; NCHA Super Stakes Open Classic/Challenge Champion. Dam of IM COUNTIN CHECKS ($283,934: 3rd, NCHA Futurity), BOON A LITTLE ($118,405: AQHA Reserve World Champion Junior Cutting), etc.
DUALS BLUE BOON. (c. by Dual Pep). $193,905: NCHA $10,000 Novice World Champion; ACHA Open World Champion.
PEPTOBOONSMAL. (c. by Peppy San Badger). $180,487: 1995 NCHA Open Futurity Champion.
PEPPYS FROM HEAVEN. (f. by Peppy San Badger). $143,350: NCHA Non-Pro Derby Champion. Dam of SEVEN FROM HEAVEN ($83,311: AQHA World Champion Cutting Horse); granddam of CDS FROM HEAVEN ($120,400).
ROYAL RED BOON. [UNREG.] (f. by Smart Little Lena). $135,360.
TH ROYAL RED PEPPY. (f. by Peppy San Badger). $122,585: split 4th, NCHA Non-Pro Derby. Producer.
ROYAL BLUE DUALLY. (f. by Dual Pep). $86,218. Dam of ROYAL FLETCH ($235,852: NCHA Futurity Champion).

Also, this is a stud whose foals sell. Down here Mecom horses are carrying some pretty hefty price tags, and they sell. If my circumstances changed, and had to sell the foal, at least I know I could. I wouldnt be stuck giving it away for $500, if that. That is another factor. Around here there are literally hundreds of of studs to choose from, breeding fees around $350-$900. They either dont have a recognizable pedigree or have a zero show record. I could easily breed to them, but I would have just another so-so bred foal, that in the end, wouldnt sell for much.

I also think the world of that stallion- where is he standing? now with Vegas isn't there a lethal blue gene you have to worry about with breeding 2 true blue roans?

Hes at wichita ranch in Weatherford, TX. I heard something about that a while ago, and someone who does the whole genetics stuff said that there was nothing to worry about. Both of Vegas' parents were true blues, so she might be a carrier. I should look into that. Where can I go to to find articles about that?

I found this on a web site. Not much info.

"The Rn gene has long been believed to be lethal in the homozygous state, with all RnRn embryos being resorbed very early in the pregnancy (usually before the owner knew the mare had conceived). However, recent research at the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis, has proven this long-held theory to be incorrect.

Roan itself is not lethal. Several stallions have been identified that are homozygous for roan and have tested as such. It is not a test that is commercially available to the public, but it is possible to test for it based on a nearby gene (we don't know the gene for roan). Roan was only thought to be lethal because a paper was published in 1979 by Harold Hintz at Cornell that showed, statistically, that roan should be an embryonic lethal because of the ratios of roan-to-non-roan foals born to two roan parents. This turned out not to have a genetic basis, according to the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis"

That blue roan is one of the prettier working horses I have seen. I love that and the red roan when the color pattern is even and the points are clean.

Lethal blue roan? Haven't heard of that one yet. Wouldn't surprise me though with all the other stuff that is going on with horses. I hope that is not true.. If so, I guess we can just add that to the long list of what not to do when breeding horses..

The Mexican's have been buying some horses around here as well. They just do not want to spend anything on them. I sold two that went to southern Mexico to get some nice stock going down there.. They paid with cash as well. I think with the Mexican's buying up horses up here they are going to get really strong in the market down the road.

I have a friend that is doing rescue and got a truck load of horses from Navada. She is crazy. She has 68 horses right now. And, that adoption fee is rediculouse. She wants 300.00 for a mini that is not registered and 500.00 for one that is.. She will never get those horses a new home at that rate. She is very in to the wild horses and the mustangs as well. I just wonder how long it will be before they all need to be rescued from her? I know her heart is in the right place. But, she is already looking for more acreage to take on more. I think she has 150 acres right now that she has these horses on. I hope she is successful. But, I think she is already at a point where things can go very wrong and the animals will pay for it..

I can't imagine anyone wanting to take on 60+ of any kind of horse, much less mustangs. You need really solid, tall fences. What they can't get over, they will go through or under. Hay is $15 a bale here, when you can find it. I sure don't want that feed bill.

Your friend won't have any trouble selling the minis....I paid $400 for mine, no papers. There's a mini breeder 5 miles from me...They're getting $1,000+.

It appears the gov't solution to the mustangs at Palomino Valley is "death by firing squad". They are going to hire "sharp shooters" to stand back and blast away. Nice. Should be quite a blood-bath. They have been approached by the Sierra Club to sell hunting licenses for them. That'd sure be something to brag about, huh?

I think it would be cool if the gov't gave special rates to legitimate trainers to take x-number of horses a year to train and sell. Not eveyone wants or needs a registered/purebred horse. Some people would be tickled to say they were riding a once-wild-horse.

I had fun training and riding the 3 I adopted. I kinda wish I were 10yrs younger. That Extreme Mustang Make-Over looks like fun!!!!!!!

Bucks&Blues wrote:

I found this on a web site. Not much info.

"The Rn gene has long been believed to be lethal in the homozygous state, with all RnRn embryos being resorbed very early in the pregnancy (usually before the owner knew the mare had conceived). However, recent research at the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis, has proven this long-held theory to be incorrect.

Roan itself is not lethal. Several stallions have been identified that are homozygous for roan and have tested as such. It is not a test that is commercially available to the public, but it is possible to test for it based on a nearby gene (we don't know the gene for roan). Roan was only thought to be lethal because a paper was published in 1979 by Harold Hintz at Cornell that showed, statistically, that roan should be an embryonic lethal because of the ratios of roan-to-non-roan foals born to two roan parents. This turned out not to have a genetic basis, according to the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis"

So is the Roan gene somewhat like the creme gene. 50/50 chance if breeding to lets say a bay/sorrel/etc.???????

I really like the Sixarun mare to Hawkish. They were a pair of really nice race horses. Has the Sixarun mare produced any runners yet? Forgive me but I have never really understood how to navigate this forum. I will try to find my way back here if you respond. Thanks Delta Duke

Ya know, I've heard some of the old timers talk about breeding roans and how some of the resulting foals had been def or blind.

My personal experience, we've bred roans before, to other roans. Never had a def or blind baby.

He sure is a beautiful stallion Bucks, I agree, that would be one heck of a baby!

Delta Duke!!! You're BACK!!!

The Sixarun has a Royal Shake Em that is AAA and a winner - she only has a couple of foals...here is a link to her pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/a+tart+with+a+heart

We like Fly In the Pie down there and really think this mare is bred to be a broodmare - she has only been bred to Royal Shake Em so this is a change up!

Triple J Quarter Horses wrote:

Bucks&Blues wrote:

I found this on a web site. Not much info.

"The Rn gene has long been believed to be lethal in the homozygous state, with all RnRn embryos being resorbed very early in the pregnancy (usually before the owner knew the mare had conceived). However, recent research at the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis, has proven this long-held theory to be incorrect.

Roan itself is not lethal. Several stallions have been identified that are homozygous for roan and have tested as such. It is not a test that is commercially available to the public, but it is possible to test for it based on a nearby gene (we don't know the gene for roan). Roan was only thought to be lethal because a paper was published in 1979 by Harold Hintz at Cornell that showed, statistically, that roan should be an embryonic lethal because of the ratios of roan-to-non-roan foals born to two roan parents. This turned out not to have a genetic basis, according to the Veterinary Genetics Laboratory of the University of California, Davis"

So is the Roan gene somewhat like the creme gene. 50/50 chance if breeding to lets say a bay/sorrel/etc.???????

THats where my knowledge stops with the roan gene. All I know is that it is a recessive gene and it is either black or red based. My friend has Vegas' sire, and hes bred plenty of sorrels and palominos, but hasnt thrown a roan with them.

I would say it was a 50/50 chance, but its a wild guess.

Being curious I wondered why you choose Hawkish for this mare.? It looks like I'll be leaving my Reckless Dash mare open this year. At this time I have a two year old just going into training out of her by Dash Thru Traffic. Do you have any two year olds to run this year? Delta Duke

We liked the Dash Thru Traffic on her and we liked Hawkish's bottom side on her too -

We liked the DTT on her better than FDD ironically enough...

We don't have any 2yos this year - just a couple of short yearlings...a Sweet First Down and a Feature Mr Jess...

You can see all of our ponies at www.kuhlmannequine.com - I'm always looking for input on the website!

Where is your Dash Thru Traffic going to run? (I forget sometimes)...

I'm sure he will run at Sam Houston and possibly Delta Downs. I'm sure as you know all the plans depend on him and his condition. Seems like one can have just plain old bad luck at any moment fooling with these race horses. Funny thing the bad luck isn't always your fault. Do you do your own training in Hempstead? I'm pretty familiar with the Hempstead area. I have three sisters and a brother in the Waller Hempstead area. I have some old polaroid photographs of my grandad and some of his match races on the country roads of Waller from back in the 1940's. You would have to find some real real old old timers to remember him. Love the conversation ! Happy trails to all ! Delta Duke

Wow - thats pretty impressive! We have 2-3 (if that makes any sense) that we are training for Manor...I understand about running them when they are ready and not knowing exactly when or where they will run (or, where we will try to GET them to run!!!)

I bought a breeding to Hadtobenuts in a stallion auction for $500...now I'm not sure what to do with it I have a Dashing Val mare I could take to him - but she is sort of "For Sale" and there is a lady that is really interested in her...sooooo, who knows what I'll end up doing.

We only have a 6 stall barn right now so we're trying to get the race horses out before we start sales prepping for the TQHA sale - and that will start May 1...we should have a Tres Seis, Feature Mr Jess, Sweet First Down, Fly Jess Fly, and a Stoli consigned - maybe a few more if we can get some more clients rustled up If we get more clients we will build some more stalls or get something figured out!!!