lethal white

Now this is an innocent question.
How many of you breed paints and if so do you breed overo to overo.

My friend has just sadly lost a foal due to Lethal white and she getting so much flack for it.

I am breeding paints but they are all tested would never breed overo to overo w/o owls testing too scary

i know there are a few breeders out there breed overo to overo to get these most fantastic coloured horses.But do they get it in the neck so to speak if they occasionally breed a lethal white. Is it more prevalant in the Frame overo.I particular like the frame overo and im on the lookout for such.What would the chances be of getting one that dosent carry the Lethal white gene.

Would you use a stallion known to have the gene on one of your solid mares?
Ive found a nice stallion i could use on my Dual reg mare.

If A Horse has frame, it does carry lethal white... simply because lethal white is frame.

So I could breed my overo (frame overo, sabino overo, and splash overo all in one) to another overo carrying all of the above... I have a 25% risk of a lethal white foal.

I know tons of breeders who do, I guess its all in personal preferance... hard to stop anyone from doing what they are doing,....

There is only 25% chance of poss to poss on the OLWS.. Not worth it. It's cruel when they are born. Just make sure the horse is tested.. PERIOD.. Not all overo carry it. Simple DNA will do it..

For example, you would not let one nurse for it would cause terrible cramping.. So, you take the new born foal from it's mother and let it suffer until you get the vet out to kill it.. Just TEST ... I could not stand that.. Don't do it.. This happens when you breed two poss to poss.. One neg will not cause this. I don't care what you are breeding.. Your paints should all be tested.. It comes up in all color patterns and even in QH.. TEST... If you are not testing you are cheap and asking for trouble..

I know this is really hard.. But, it's Overo Lethal White Syndrom. Therefore, OLWS not OWLS..

Thanks Bluejay for that.

Would it be safe to use a frame overo that for arguments sake carries the gene on a solid mare.

Im rather partial to the Frame overo and would like another one as i seriously regret selling Lyle.

Yes i would get whatever i get tested.But if again for arguments sake its a colt of which i would want to keep entire if good enough,and he tests postive would people use him at stud.Wouldnt want to keep a stud thats not going to be used.

By the way im after a filly.

My friend has a very nicely bred stallion that carries the gene and i would like to use him on my dual reg mare,should i get her tested.She only a paint because of the white rule at the time.She has a big white face.

Long ago, while I was still in paints, they didn't have the test. And I'm telling you, it's the absolute worst thing. The first baby out of my prize paint mare was a lethal filly - most gorgeous thing you've ever seen - had to put her down. The last one we had was a huge colt out of the same pair, after 3 in between were normal...the night we buried that colt is the night we decided to find a quarter stallion... thus Kid.

The mare, by the way, was not frame, but sabino. In fact, her whole bottom side was straight quarter. Never know - get them all tested!

There are also a ton of quarters that have the gene - you just don't think about it, but you have to remember where overo paints came from in the first place - they're crop-outs.

It's a good thing to test your solid mares if breeding to a positive stud. We have a quarter mare here right now that has a little white spot on her belly. Breeder says he never saw it before I pointed it out. Ummm, yah, whatever. But that spot makes her an overo by genetics. Never hurts to be careful. If I ever bred her to a paint, I test her first.
From what I understand, tobianos can carry it too, if they have an overos in their pedigree. Is this true?

I would say get your dual tested we have 3 duals and got the breeding mares tested they has some roaning but are sbps and my stud isn't even a "paint" but does have some spots that are roaning white spots and always thows some kind of white spot on his colts it isn't very expensive for piece of mind. My frame overo mare is too pretty to not have the appropriate paperwork to go with her.

Thanks guys

I will look on internet to see how i go about getting her tested.

Would you buy a frame overo or Sabino thats parents havent been tested.

sure not a problem just then have it tested before breeding so you can breed knowing what you are dealing with