Is this Illegal in the rulebook?

I know someone whom I really don't care for who has a stallion with one testicle. Well, they are bragging that they had a fake testicle inserted and they are now standing him at stud and not telling anyone. This is not only morally wrong, but it's a genetic defect I wouldn't want. Is this against APHA rules??

I don't know about it being illegal but that is crazy!! I have never even heard of that. I could not imagine doing that to my horse let alone bragging about it.

happens a lot!!!

Here is what I know about that. If the horse lost a testicle from an injury then it can be approved as a normal stallion through AQHA if the injury can be proven. There was a guy with a HUGE Skipper W bred horse that hung around the show. He could not show the first few years he was there for this same problem. He proved his case and was able to show his horse. He did not put a fake one up there though. I do not know where APHA stands on this.

But, anyone who would do something like that is not only crazy but cheeting.. If the horse was born that way it's my understanding they can pass this on. So, not only cheeting but is a liar to boot..

I know in the dog show world they put false teeth in them if they loose one to keep showing. Seems the dishonesty is every where.

I have no idea about the artificial testicle thing, I know they do it in people. Ick! I do know about AQHA rules on cryptorchids though. Basically, the only class that it will affect you in is halter. But, according to the AQHA rule book, it will not stop you from using the animal as breeding stock or showing it in any other class but halter. Cryptorchid condition has been related to genetics in the past, but a perfectly normal stallion can also produce one, just like a crypt can produce a normal foal. Actually, some of the best producing stallions in the world have been crypts

We covered this in class, sorry for the book.

He has not had an injury, he is a cryptorchid and he only shows in halter. I think this is so WRONG to falsely advertise him as "normal". I wouldn't want to breed my mare to him because it's my understanding it's a genetic trait. Thanks for the info.

I just can't believe someone would go through this trouble. I don't even want to think about how much this could possibly cost them either! Jeeze, it's this kind of crap that makes me not want to show anymore. People need to cut the crap, seriously.

when you think of all the really big named horses that were crips... Dry Doc and Invitation Only (I think) just to name a couple I think it is a well hidden fact but one that needs to be disclosed there are too many good studs to have to put up with genetic flaws in my opinion. I would not breed to one personally.

Many years ago, there was a paly stallion around here, that they were doing exactly that - and I was thinking about breeding to him, until they told me that. Yep, it's definitely genetic, and I wouldn't breed to one.

Lynn, I think you're right, Invitation Only and there's a lot of HUS and WP stallions that are cryptorchid... go figure!

AQHA It is Illegal to alter one.

They do not check preformace horses, while being show, but they do in halter. They are suppose to give you the gate if its cryptorchid.
At congress, they even go so far as to Palpate 2 year olds if not showing.

There is a big difference between and cryp and an injury.. The person I mentioned earlier did show his horse halter and won his class. I am sure the judges knew it was not a cryp and he got the approval from AQHA. He did not put a fake one up there either. You could see it from a long way off on this horse... This horse is HUGE and I am glad that it did not stop him from getting in to the show pen.

The reason they look at testies and teeth on breeding animals only is to make sure that is all the way it should be. Parrot mouth and Cryp are considered major defects on a breeding animal. I would not breed one of my mares to either. Of course these are the things you can see unlikel all the other stuff.. HYPP, PSSM (now added to the list) and worse of all HERDA and GRBD.. By the way, they have testing for all this now..

I think anything dishonest about a horse is a big NO NO.. People who do not tell the truth are part of the reason the market sucks right now..

WHY would you breed to a cryptorchid

It is genetic's, IF the Testical is left up in the wall, it can tun into Cancer, also due to the temp around it, most of the time sperm in zero or so low that a mare will not get in foal. Of corse unless they are double Crypts, which is very possible but then thats another subject, .

Not only can this be passed on but a health issue. That is why it is frowned upon. Also the rule book does state you can not alter a horses appearence, they use to trim ears, inplants and such, thus the rule. So a false one, if caught would get you in big trouble.

Triple J, when you say trim ears do you mean cut them down and make them smaller I would imagine only the big timers do this kind of thing since the rest of us could not afford it.. Good grief, that is a lot to go through just to win a show. And, it would cost less to buy a horse that had what it takes to win without all that added expense..

My question is with all the horses out there... why the heck aren't the vets refusing to do such things? A horse does not care about their looks, and a stallion doesnt care if he has one versus two testicles.

Stupid, stupid, stupid....

Now why would the vets do that with all the money involved

Bluejay wrote:

Triple J, when you say trim ears do you mean cut them down and make them smaller I would imagine only the big timers do this kind of thing since the rest of us could not afford it.. Good grief, that is a lot to go through just to win a show. And, it would cost less to buy a horse that had what it takes to win without all that added expense..

Yep! Cut them down. Look at the scaring on Im a cool skip, around his throat latch.. I know of a stallion that they broke his jaw, reset it and he was on IVs/feeding tubes for weeks, BUT he won the world a year later. This was back in the 70s. Sold for BIG money.

UGH!!! How disgusting! Now, last night they were bragging about already paid for him to go to WORLD! Makes me sick to my stomach! I hope they get caught!!!

Well. I have to say that is all the most stupid stuff I have ever heard of.. Just goes to show the phonies and fakes are EVERYWHERE.. Cept here of course.. Good Lord...

My stud Gun can suck one of his up so high that we have had judges to palpate him to make sure it's there. But it IS there. Just that when he goes to new places, he tends to suck the one up pretty high. It's always the same one. Our vet says it's caused by the ring being pretty large. My worry is that one day it'll get stuck. We can do surgery to close the ring size, but it's risky and costly.
And if he produces cryps, poor Gun'll be a gelding right quick. I can see why the big guys breed them. It's the $$$ involved. But that doesn't make it any better.

Yella Fella does that. I talked to the people who bred and took him to where he is today. The lady said he was a major pain doing that and then he would only collect when he felt like it.. That played a role in why they sold him.

My stud does not get excited over all that either. But, he never sucks one up. Just stops to watch the birds go by when we are teasing and trying to collect him.. I like him that way and we always get semen from him..

Bluejay, tell ya a funny...I decided to let Kid eat some grass back in the breeding pen area - after putting the geldings up in the front pen - you know, the one in front of the house. So I've just got the chain under his chin, which means normal stuff, and we're going back there, and Lordy, he thinks we're fixing to breed... I'm explaining, you stupid idgit, do you see a mare? No. Shut the heck up! So he's still ya-yaing and prancing all the way down there, screaming, and we get to the gate - he thinks she's hiding behind the hay barn, I let him go, he tears off running and looking for a mare... Me and Rick were laughing our hinies off... I told Rick, now if that sucker mounts that dummy, I'm going to die....

Well, he's screaming, running around, stops at the dummy - and you can tell he's really thinking about it, decides the heck with this, bites it and then drops his head and starts eating grass... goofy sucker!

HA HA HA .. Those boys always thinking with their PP's.. I have been breeding Tom a bit. He is just not very excited about the whole thing.. Oh, he prances and chatters.. He knows what the AV looks like and gets excited when I walk in the barn with it.. I have a girl friend that comes up and helps me and he gets all a twitter when she walks in the barn.. Like LORI IS HERE.. YEA....

He walks out to the dumy with her and rares up like he is really going to do something. She calms him down and then has to poke him to jump up there..

I talk to him all the way and he starts to drop and walks out like a gentlemen. Then I have to talk him in to jumping up there..

We collected him on Sat. The mare was not even in. She was just there. We got the semen and ran like a bunch of drug dealers to the lab.. Got a good amount and I tracked it for 5 days. Still a goin and tossed it out from getting board looking at it..

I have been pretty happy with this year. We did not do much. But, what we did was good.. Tom will be the hardest one for me to get rid of when I have to let them all go. He is such a good boy and loves me.. I feel the unconditional love from that horse. He does things for me he will not do for anyone else unless they are a kind female..